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If spinster is the word for unlikely to be married female, what's the equivelent for males?

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Date: 2004-12-29 08:13 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] mishalak.livejournal.com
But Bachelor doesn't have the same "I've given up all hope of being in a relationship" quality that Spinster does.

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Date: 2004-12-29 08:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chadu.livejournal.com
"Confirmed bachelor" which has an additional connotation which is apt for you, methinks. :)

CU

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Date: 2004-12-29 08:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pisica.livejournal.com
Exactly. There isn't an equivalent word for men, or rather no word with equivalent connotations.

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Date: 2004-12-29 09:21 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] mishalak.livejournal.com
Sure there is! We just have to think of it... Ummm. Sweeper perhaps?

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Date: 2004-12-29 08:13 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] mishalak.livejournal.com
Speaking of which females need a word like bachelor.

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Date: 2004-12-29 10:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] muzzyfeverlint.livejournal.com
Bachelorette?

Just a thought.

I fit into the "career girl" category.

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Date: 2004-12-29 09:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] qingting.livejournal.com
Men are glorified for being able to remain single yet have a free sex life with (many of) whomever they want, when they want - i.e. the confirmed bachelor. To do otherwise is to be 'henpecked'.

Women are expected to get married (to a man), stay faithful no matter what, and to reproduce. To do otherwise is to be a 'spinster'.

It's unfair and utterly stupid, but our general american society is stuck this way. I hope it changes soon.

-jude

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Date: 2004-12-29 11:08 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] mishalak.livejournal.com
It's a simple matter of coining a few words. Perhaps Lamplighter would be a sufficently archaic job that it could be the male equivelent of Spinster.

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Date: 2004-12-30 11:04 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] akicif.livejournal.com
To paraphrase: "From next Thursday it will be a tradition in this school that boys do not walk on the grass in Big School Quadrangle". "Spinster" was the word for an unmarried woman because back in the pre-mechanical era spinning was the default occupation of virtually all women.

If you're going to coin a new word, you need to base it on something that was equally default for men.

Thinks: "spinster" gave us the 'distaff' side for the maternal side of a family. The paternal side was the 'spear' side....

And, surprise, surprise, a bachelor was once a squire or a knight's tenant and hence would have carried a spear were he to go off to war with his lord.

So, reclaim "bachelor"?

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Date: 2004-12-29 10:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elenbarathi.livejournal.com
This might interest you: The Paradise of Bachelors and the Tartarus of Maids (http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/toc/modeng/public/MelPara.html) by Herman Melville.

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Date: 2004-12-29 10:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skylarker.livejournal.com
I don't think it's true that we don't have a word for males unlikely to marry. They get called all kinds of things, from hobos and bums to fags to mama's boys, etc.

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Date: 2004-12-29 11:05 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] mishalak.livejournal.com
Nah. Fags marry. All the time. In Canada.

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Date: 2004-12-29 10:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] muzzyfeverlint.livejournal.com
Militant bachelor?

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Date: 2004-12-29 11:04 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] mishalak.livejournal.com
I'm thinking it should be some archaic job associated with old men. Like whittling or something. An old whittler. It does have the right ring to it. Though I don't know if it is archaic enough.

splitting heirs

Date: 2004-12-29 11:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rvrjoe775.livejournal.com
I suspect that the word exists for females because after a certain age they are unlikely prospects for producing heirs, and hence there is no matching term for males.

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Date: 2004-12-29 11:13 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] mishalak.livejournal.com
Well that's why, but it needs correcting. After all men get useless after a certain age. Or at least we did before viagra. <grin> How about "lamplighter"?

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