I don't think I had mentioned the overcrowding theory. That's why I am confused. I had been going on the Jews may have had a bias against homosexual because homosexuals didn't contribute to increasing the numbers of the tribe (in their view).

The thing is with Plato is that he idealized a very close sort of relationship, but not the sex. Even today we use the phrase "platonic love". He is, however, the foremost of the people for whom there is good evidence that they may have been homosexual.

Aristotle on the other hand disapproved of men who allowed themselves to be taken as women as I remember and specifically the common practice of older men having young boys as lovers. He was probably not a homosexual, though with any person in ancient history it is hard to say one way or another.

I wasn't saying you were a gay activist, just going off on my own rant. Unless we have a diary in which a person wrote intimate thoughts at length I think it very problematic to describe a historical person as homosexual or heterosexual, though obviously the best bet is them being heterosexual. It's just a thing with me. I don't like it when it seems like people are claiming an icon for their movement. People belong to themselves, not to nations or activists. Unless that person was an activist for that cause while alive it makes me roll my eyes.